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February 9th, 2010

Srebrenica: My response to his response of my response

Srebrenica Massacre Victims Kravica Warehouse

If you’ve been following along then you already know I have gotten into a bit of a squabble with an iReporter on CNN. I didn’t like some of the points he made in his article and he took offence to me pointing this out. This is now the second comment I am making on his article. I should mention that he has throw some weird little snippy comments in between his last comment and this one of mine. I think he may be working himself up into a lather which of course makes me positively giddy.

His last response was this and here is what I have to say about it:

The question of bodies is one that we can argue until the cows come home and never get an answer to. Until all of the remains found are tested for DNA there is now way to tell whether many of the bodies are Bosniak or Serb. Even then, unless they are matched to family members either side can claim them.

The Dutchbat survived on their rations. They were well enough stocked and were able to get some supplies through the pipeline, though I have read many reports that even that was difficult at times.

As far as Oric and the raids on villages, it’s like thinking which came first, the chicken or the egg. Did Oric attack the villages in response to having the food and aid cut off or did the food and aid get cut off because he raided the villages. I am inclined to think it was the former rather than the latter, it simply makes more sense that way.

The hypocritical comment was made in response to the comment: “But basic honesty and respect for users of the Atlas require that it be duly noted…” I read that to be a comment made by you not the Atlas itself. I’m sorry if I misunderstood that.

I can’t say I am a big believer in The Hague and neither am I a fan of NATO, I’d eagerly throw the UN to the wolves as well for that matter. There were many dimensions to all that happened in the early-mid 90’s in Bosnia. I think that the US played every side against the middle and as usual managed to come out smelling like a rose. I don’t think that convicting Naser Oric would have brought a lawsuit to any military actions because there is no one to police these actions.

The fact that the Dutchbat left Srebrenica at all is disgraceful. Absolutely shameful. I like the way you put it “gave up protecting butchers from Srebrenica, and let Bosnian Serbs do their revenge” what a proud day for the UN. Just let people slaughter the guilty and the innocent alike. No taking names, just round them up, bind them and throw them into a warehouse so that the Serbs can lob grenades and keep shooting until no one is left moving and the floor is thick and running with blood, the walls pockmarked and burnt. I’ve seen the pictures and I know you have too. I’ve seen the videos of the men tied and waiting at the white house. I think it’s safe to say the Serbs didn’t have much going in the way of mercy either.

There is no way you can say no women or children were killed when Srebrenica fell. They may not have been main targets but some of the boys I’ve seen in the videos are young. And there is nothing crueler than angry, revenge filled mobs and rape is always a byproduct of circumstances like these.

One more quick point I think is important to note. There were thousands of refugees in Srebrenica. What reason do you give for them being there? For them leaving their homes behind? They accumulated there because the Serbs left them no option. The conditions were terrible but they knew there was a good chance they would be killed if they left.

You and the Serbs say they didn’t kill children, the elderly and women, the Muslims say that’s not true. The Muslims say they didn’t kill children, the elderly and women, the Serbs say that’s not true. He said she said.

No death is acceptable. Not one. But acceptable and understandable are two very different things.

February 9th, 2010

Guys Reply to My Logical Opinion on His Opinion

Mass Grave Bosnian Muslim Victims

So a couple of hours ago I posted my response to this article written by a CNN iReporter. Needless to say he was not impressed with the fact I didn’t agree with everything he said. Here is what he had to say to me, read the hostility between the lines lol:

Thanks for your comment, and here is my response:

Number one: Under “myth” this text refers to equalizing Srebrenica with Auschwitz with >8000 Muslims ’shot in front of firing squad’. Serbs did stormed the town with Holland’s approval since Naser Oric’s troops from Srebrenica killed 3,800 Serb civilians in surrounding villages in period 1992-1995. Since Srebrenica has been protected by Holland forces as “Safe Zone”, they have refused to treat it as such in 1995 after constant Muslim attacks on surrounding Serbian villages.

Number two: I didn’t mention anything. This article does, along with entire research team that stands behind it, and shows one example where same first & last name & town of birth repeats. For your information, these places are all in Srebrenica region, and fact that they didn’t give date of birth doesn’t make it less obvious that it is manipulated information.

“Let’s face it, they did a lot more killing.” You can face it as much as you want, you need to prove that with bodies, not some alleged numbers.

In Srebrenica, till the date there is “only” 1,900 bodies of Bosnian Muslims, found by Hague investigators, while there is >3,000 bodies of Bosnian Serbs all over Srebrenica and surrounding villages.

“Don’t forget that it was the Serbs that choked off both their food and medical aid as well.”

If this is to be true, though I haven’t found proof of it that Serbs starved Srebrenica (how did then Holland soldiers survived?), in return: don’t forget Naser Oric’s numerous attacks FROM Srebrenica TO surrounding Serb villages. Storming ENTIRE villages. Who would under these circumstances allow food or anything else into Srebrenica?

“I think it is a little hypocritical of you to on one hand say Naser Oric led attacks that killed many Serbs in towns like Kravica, though he was never convicted of any war crimes whatsoever…”

Again, it is not ME, it is ENTIRE RESEARCH TEAM that stands behind this article. So you can try to tag this as something personal, but it is not.

Fact that he hasn’t been convicted, just means that Hague Tribunal is not functioning properly. More over, Srebrenica was excuse for NATO overall attack on Serbs in Croatia and Bosnia, and Hague is NATO. Policeman, judge and jury. Do you really believe in such system yourself? Having him (Naser Oric) convicted for his crimes around Srebrenica, would bring major lawsuit against all NATO countries that were involved in military actions based on Srebrenica case.

“There is plenty of blame to go around but you have to ask yourself, if you were a starving, freezing refugee with a suffering family, what would you do to keep them alive?”

3,800 killed Serbs in 1992-1995 period is not acceptable.

When Holland troops gave up protecting butchers from Srebrenica, and let Bosnian Serbs do their revenge, at least Bosnian Serbs haven’t killed women, elderly and children.

Naser Oric’s troops didn’t have mercy to anyone.

February 9th, 2010

My Response to Article About Mr. Tokaca & Srebrenica Massacre

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In response to the opinions put forth in Lies of “Bosnian Atlas” by Mr. Tokaca:

I am relatively well versed about the Bosnian war, particularly what happened in and around Srebrenica in 1995. I have not read the material you are referring to but based on what you have written I do have a couple of questions for you.

Number one: You refer to the “Srebrenica myth” what exactly do you mean by this term? Are you saying that Serb forces didn’t storm the town, kidnap and kill many men and boys?

Number two: You mention that some of the victims seem to have been killed several times. There are many people in those areas with the same names. Did the Atlas list dates of birth as well? Or just names? If it was the latter isn’t it possible the author was referring to more than one person with the same name?

Both sides have some blood on their hands but I think anyone would be hard pressed to NOT see the Bosniaks as the victims and the Serbs as the perpetrators. Let’s face it, they did a lot more killing. They had the manpower and the arms that the Muslims simply didn’t have access too.

Don’t forget that it was the Serbs that choked off both their food and medical aid as well. When the surrounding Serb villages were raided it wasn’t just by soldiers. There were plenty of everyday Bosniaks who were starving and were left with no choice but to steal food where they could to keep their families alive.

I think it is a little hypocritical of you to on one hand say Naser Oric led attacks that killed many Serbs in towns like Kravica, though he was never convicted of any war crimes whatsoever, and then later state that “basic honesty and respect for users of the Atlas require that it be duly noted that this is not yet a judicially settled fact” when talking about crimes Serbs may be responsible for.

Unfortunately neither side will ever agree on what they are responsible for. And while my comments may make it sound as though I agree with the tactics of Tokaca in his presentation of “the facts” I do not. Until people start looking at what happened in BiH in an unbiased manner no one is ever going to know the truth.

There is plenty of blame to go around but you have to ask yourself, if you were a starving, freezing refugee with a suffering family, what would you do to keep them alive?

December 9th, 2009

Correct Me If I’m Wrong About Naser Oric

Quote taken as is from some random anti-muslim forum post:

“Please correct me if i am wrong but is this not the same naser oric who fled Sebrenica with his troops when the Serb army attacked ?
Thus abandoning his fellow filthy muslims to their fate.

Some hero he is indeed.

Wasnt he also responsible for the raids on Serbian villages near Sebrenica.

Thus using the safe area as an military staging point and killing many Serbian civilians in the most gruesome manner.
Yes much to be proud of my bosniak “friend” and please dont try to deny this.

Since he has made statements about this to ITN press and the Dutch army has many hours of video documenting his crimes.
Then again it might be another muslim you all smell alike, like the filth that welped you.”

My response on same forum:

Sure I will correct you, no problem:

NUMBER ONE: Oric did NOT abandon his fellow “filthy” muslims when Mladic massacred those in Srebrenica. He had been ordered by President Izetbegovic to travel to Zenica for more training. This was shady on the part of the President, not Oric himself.

NUMBER TWO: What would you expect him to do in terms of the raids. Should he and all the refugees crammed into that tiny town have starved to death? The Serbs had cut off their aid, there was no food, medical supplies or anything else needed for survival in both winter and summer.

AND much of the destruction caused was not even done by his men. The starving, freezing refugees would follow them to towns and take what they needed from the Serbs. Is that right, no, but what would you do to keep your kids, wives, parents alive? It was the Serb military’s fault anyways, they should have let humanitarian aid through consistently. Period.

NUMBER THREE: Dutchbat? Seriously, you want to bring them up? They are as laughable as the UN. Talk about useless, and if you think they aren’t going to toe the line that makes them look less like the monsters they are, you are as nuts as Charles Manson.

NUMBER FOUR: Last but certainly not least let’s get to the bottom of the “many hours of video documenting”. Where is it? Have you ever seen it? I have been researching the war extensively and I have never seen any footage of Naser Oric perpetrating any crimes against people. In fact, there are very little footage of him at all.

Don’t tell me what other Muslims may or may not have done during that time, you said there is footage of ORIC committing crimes. I say Bull Shit to that, show me. Oh wait, you can’t because there is none.

October 8th, 2009

Learning Can Be Downright Painful: The Bosnian War

August 1, 2008

I remember hearing about the war in bosnia back in, oh, about 1992 I guess it was. it wasn’t that they taught it in school or that I was particularly new savvy, the reason it caught my attention was that I was daring a Croatian boy at the time and I fancied myself in love with him.

Knowing what I know now, I wish I had paid more attention back then.

The thing that got me interested in the subject this was was the news of Karadzic’s recent capture. I was so excited to hear that they caught a war criminal who had succeeded in hiding out for over 13 years and I had to learn more about him and what he was accused of doing. I didn’t realize it would change my life.

Turns out that this was one of those subjects that I lost myself in. Obsessive on a good day, I buried myself in stories from the Bosnian war, the players involved and even the politics surrounding it. It was shocking to me that I didn’t hear more about these stories back in the day, the horror was so huge and so real, I still find it amazing that it’s not more well known. How is it that Radovan Karadzic, Ratko Mladic and Naser Oric didn’t become a household name?

The very first thing I looked up was Srebrenica and the massacre that took place there in July of 1995. It was shocking, not surprising per se, I have read a LOT of stories of the evils we can perpetrate against each other, but even with all of that ugly knowledge this managed to all me in brand new ways.

Of course most, if not all of the things I learned that first day centered around the slaughter of Bosniaks at the hands of the brutal and blood thirsty Serbs, or as they call them, Chetniks.

The pictures that accompanied the various articles were enough to make the bile rise up in my throat and again, keep in mind I have seen violence, I have watched videos of innocent captives beheaded by Al Qaeda, but still these images were sickening.

(I feel I need to interject something in my defence here. The reason I watched the terrorist videos was because I figured that if others can experience these painful, horrific events the least I can do is watch them and try to understand as much as possible the hand they were dealt.)

As soon as I began reading up on the plight of the Bosniaks in Srebrenica, I knew I had to write about it. I didn’t want to write a non-fiction book, that has been done to death, no, I wanted to educate people who wouldn’t even deign to open the flap of a non-fiction book. Making the decision to make it a fictional account of these true events was an easy one for me, actually narrowing down the plot was not going to be so easy.

The first incarnation I came up with was born from the stories of the “column.” Reading the stories of survivors brought tears to my eyes and more than one lump to my throat. I couldn’t wrap my head around the cruelty of the Serbs, how they would trick the men into calling to their families hiding in the hills. They convinced them that if they called their sons and fathers, wives and daughters down, and they surrendered they would make sure no harm came to them. Unfortunately, this was an empty promise that they never intended to honor.

As soon as the families showed their faces they were all whisked away to be tortured and executed.

April 20th, 2009

Miss California Must Love the Taste of Her Foot in Her Mouth

Oh Miss California, what on Earth were you thinking? I was never one to consider pageant girls some of the most highly intelligent answers to the questions they are asked but come ON! How was that for an example of talking without thinking, I am shocked, positively shocked that she got named first runner up in the 2009 Miss America Pageant after her repulsive and arrogant answer to the gay marriage question.

I hate hate hate that she made it that far but then again on the other hand, she came this close to winning so that might make it even harder for her, emotionally speaking I mean. Poor, poor little thing. Yeah, right. BITCH!

Between her homophobic comments (no offense she says, yeesh!) and Miss Oregon’s war criminal father, the States really needs to start getting a little pickier as to the girls they let represent them. Where do they find these dumb ass chicks anyways? They may as well be talking out their ass for all the shit they are spewing.

Is there a test you have to fail to be allowed to compete or what? It makes you wonder, doesn’t it?

In case you don’t know what I am referring to just watch the video clip at the top of this post. In it Perez Hilton (yes, him again) got to ask Miss California a question and it was a good one. He asked her that since Vermont recently overturned their ban on same sex marriages did she think that perhaps it was time for California to do so as well. That’s not an exact quote but it was something to that effect.

What did the epitome of class and sophistication say that got her literally booed off the stage? She said, that “no offense to anyone” but she believes marriage should only be between a man and a woman, “it was just the way I was raised” she crowed, I think she realized quickly what a massive mistake she had made but it was too late to fix it, she let the proverbial cat out of the bag on that one. BITCH!

I mean, okay, everyone has the right to their opinion and I’m sure she isn’t the only one on that stage that felt that way but she was probably the only one stupid enough to say it out loud. I mean, seriously, why would you say something that is clearly destined to cause trouble and make people hate her?

There were so many other answers she could have given, as Perez himself pointed out on his blog. She could have gone with the standard response which is that each state in the country should have the right to decide for itself. She could have said that all the states should take a deeper look at the issue and see what is best for everyone, she could have talked around it in a hundred different ways but she didn’t. Is being rude, mean and prejudiced something they teach you in charm school? What a LOSER!

I mean, it’s not a debate, it’s one question for God’s sake. Say something neutral and make everyone happy and get the hell off the stage! How hard is that! OMG, it is just shocking to me that she allowed the words to come out of her mouth and on the platform for Miss America, she’s either insanely stupid, just plain insane or she just doesn’t give a @&*#. Either way I am so very, very glad she lost.

It was hilarious to hear all the booing, I mean people were loud in their disapproval and it made me feel so good! In Perez Hiltons vlog he posted after the pageant he was P-I-S-S-E-D that she ranked as high as she did.

He swore that if she had won he would have ran up on stage and ripped the tiara off her head and ran with it. Sure, he said, he’d probably get arrested but it would have been worth it. I feel his anger and his pain and I would have paid good money to see that lol! He probably would have done it too. He’s in such good shape now he probably would have gotten pretty far with it too lol!

God, Miss California is a pig, a stupid, ignorant, dumb, homophobic piss ant not even worth dirtying a show stepping on, she really isn’t but I can’t help it, I am so mad that she used a platform like this to slag people down. She should be ashamed of herself, I would be so ashamed of her if I knew her, I wouldn’t even be seen in public with her if she was my sister.

Karma’s a bitch sister! Equality NOW! No more of these table scraps, no thank you, let’s take freedom to the next level World, make a change for the better! It’s about bloody time.

Love and Pride Jewelry

October 3rd, 2008

Biden vs Palin Vice Presidential Debate

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I am definitely on team Obama and the Biden Palin debate didn’t change that a bit. I’m probably about as liberal as a person can be but while I was watching part of the vice presidential debate tonight I was shocked and appalled by some of the things Biden said.

Palin on the other hand, well…for someone who really doesn’t know anything she held her own. Besides her accent is so cute I could listen to her talk about nothing all night long.

What jumped out at me during the vice presidential debate was the comment Joe Biden made about Bosnia. Actually there was more than one. I am going to break it down here:

Joe Biden stated that because of the decisions he and the US made tends of thousands of people were saved in the Bosnian war.

—- BS! The US caused a $hitload of trouble over there and with the help of the UN they basically helped the Serbs commit genocide. The US, NATO, the UN and every other organization and country in the world allowed the Serbs to surround and imprison Sarajevo for YEARS! They were under seige for years, they were given very little medical and food aid. In fact they were fed cans of miscellaneous meat that was so repulsive even dogs wouldn’t touch it.

And have you heard of Srebrenica? The Dutchbat UN troops wouldn’t even hand the Bosniaks back the guns they had confiscated so they’d be able to defend themselves. Instead they ran away to Potocari and then handed over the Bosniaks that were taking refuge in the Dutch base to the Serbs who summarily executed them. Sick!

So needless to say I was a little offended when Biden claimed that they stepped into the Bosnian war and “saved tens of thousands of lives” in the process. If they had “stepped in” a few years before they could have saved 100,000 lives.

It’s ridiculous! He should be ashamed to even mention Bosnia in the same sentence as the United States.

The claim that there had been fighting in Bosnia for hundreds of years.

—- The dumb ass actually stated out loud that he was all for going into Bosnia and putting a stop to the killing. He said his fellow politicians told him it could never been done. The “Croats, Serbs, Muslims, Bosniaks” would never find peace, but they made it happen.

First of all some of you may not know this but Sarajevo was always one of the most diverse and tolerant cities in the world. When other countries would take in Jewish refugees from WWII they were left to live in slums and treated like garbage.

In Sarajevo they had no Jewish slums. They were welcomed into society just like everyone else. People there didn’t care about ethnicities or religions. There were churthces, mosques and temples on each corner of some streets and there was never any problems. Serbs and Muslims were griends and have afternoon tea together, religion wasn’t a big issue at all.

Sure there had been fighting in the past but that was long before the Bosnia war that happened in the early nineties. Which by the way was not helped in any way by the UN, NATO, the US, Britain, France or anyone else.

They had not been killing each other for hundreds of years, not the way he portrayed it. It really irked me that Biden would say something about that during the vice presidential debate. And if Sarah Palin had been more on the ball or if she actually knew anything about what happened in the political past she could have ripped him a new one over this topic.

Joe Biden also claimed that they helped with Kosovo and they now have a stable government.

—- Again, does he actually follow world events? There are atrocities and vicious massacres in Kosovo all the time. It wasn’t long ago they had an extremely bloody war themselves.

With the Albanian terrorists wanting Kosovo to be independent and the Serb killers equally determined that this will never happen, the country is far from stable.

Sarah Palin claims she has foreign policy experience simply because Alaska borders Russia on one side and Canada on the other.

—- WTF?? How does that automatically give you foreign policy experience. I live on the border of Canada and the US and have England way over across the water. Do I then have foreign policy experience? I’ve been to the United States at least, has she ever been to Russia?

Sarah Palin is a headcase with a nice pair of glasses and a cute accent with macaroni where he brain should be. Kraft Dinner macaroni at that, it’s cheap and is a poor substitute for the real thing.

Here’s my bottom line:

For the most part I am happy with the Obama Joe Biden ticket. Biden seems like a smart guy, and I like how diplomatic Barack Obama is. he doesn’t seem like the war monger the Republicans are endorsing.

Sarah Palin on the other hand doesn’t seem to really stand for anything I believe her about except abortion. And John McCain, he is shriveling more and more everyday. One of these days he will fall asleep at the podium. he is too old and frail to be president of the United States.

The bits I did see of the debate weren’t boring at all and it was sad when Biden spoke of his family. I looked it up after and it turns out that just before Christmas back in 1972, his wife had taken their three children Christmas shopping. They got into an accident with a tractor trailer and his wife and one year old daughter were killed while the two boys were left in critical condition. Such a total tragedy, not that you should vote for him and Obama because of that, I just thought that was an interesting little fact.

All in all VOTE Obama in 2008 and be sure to NO on Proposition 8. Equality should be one of our basic human rights.

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