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Read Family Members Of Doomed 911 Flights ‘Strangely Silent’ About Irregularities & Inconsistencies Of Official Government Story
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No Body No Crime

Bull shit! I call bull shit on anyone who is going to try and tell me that a plane actually crashed into the pentagon. No way. There are too many discrepeancies to count. Literally.

Let’s take the big ball of obvious and run with it, shall we?

Why is there no plane wreckage in the pictures? No seats, no engines, no wings, no bodies. Where did the bodies go? Oh, they burned up you say? Uh, NO. Not possible.

I mean, sure some of them would have been burned but there is no way they would have been incinerated. I don’t buy this theory when it comes to the Twin Towers either but at least some stupid people might be convinced with the whole squish factor. Clearly 111 floors or so is going to take a toll on the human body.

BUT the Pentagon “crash” is nothing but a regular old plane crash. I don’t know if you know this, but planes crash all the time and there are always bodies recovered. Even in the middle of the goddamn ocean you will usually find bodies.

It’s not like the Pentagon is a massive structure that came down, it has only 5 floors above ground. Planes, both big and small have crashed into mountains, cliff faces, been blown up over the ocean and still bodies were recovered, plenty of them too.

I did read some references to “bodies burned beyong recognition” and the fact that “the chances of identifying them would be almost unimaginable.” WTF? Have they never heard of DNA? You don’t need a body to be recognizable to the eye to identify it, even back then in 2001. How stupid do they think we are?

If a plane carrying people crashed into the Pentagon there had to have been bodies found. There just had to.

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Pancake Theory, Really?

I’m not saying I don’t think the Twin Towers could have collapsed on September 11, 2001, like I said, I’m no engineer BUT freefall? I don’t see it. I have to admit, I was a bit on board with the pancake theory, until I started watching the videos and learning more about it.

If one of the floors collapsed, it would fall to the next, sure, but there would be at the very least a few moments during which the lower floors suppored the extra weight, especially at the beginning. For everything to collapse and fall at one time, core and all? That’s not very realistic I don’t think.

Opinions? I am open to them.

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Silence speaks a thousand words as they say and never has that been more true than when it comes to Flights 93, 77, 175 and 11. Those planes went down on a historical day back in 2001 and for some reason we aren’t hearing any squawking from their families. There is like, one woman with enough doubt to speak out, but just one? Really? Why is that?

Why is it that when thousands of families who lost loved ones in the WTC buildings are screaming at the top of their lungs for answers, all of the families from the victims in the planes are silent?

Were not their families taken in the same, violent and brutal way? Are they not curious as to why the government didn’t manage to learn about the attacks before they were carried out? Are they not a little upset at the thought that somewhere along the line mistakes were made? Mistakes that cost their fathers, husbands, daughters, parents and friends their lives?

Apparently not because I have been searching for information like this, info that would show me that these victims had families who cared, who hurt and who had real emotions like anger. I can’t imagine what it was like for anyone on that day but I do know that if it was someone I loved that was lost there would be a hell of a lot of explaining to do. I would not easily accept whatever platitudes and excuses were thrown at me, no way. I would want real, solid, logical answers and I think it gets clearer by the day that there were none like that given in terms of 9/11.

Personally this silence, this lack of rage is one of the things that convinces me that perhaps there was no Flight 77, no Flight 93. I mean, the physical evidence isn’t there and never was, now you throw the fact that the families are all creepily quiet? Where there is silence there is something to hide.

Ask any psychologist and they will tell you that this is not the normal reaction of those facing this kind of loss. You can argue that everyone is different and I accept that, but out of the 246 people who were reported to have died on the planes, only ONE of them thinks the investigation wasn’t good enough? You don’t have to be a math genius to see that is pretty unlikely. But I digress.

Psychologists say that in a terrorist event such as September 11 most people are going to be stripped of all allegiance to, well, pretty much everything. State, country, President, you name it. The only thing that is going to exist for these people is the burning need to know why. Why did this happen, why didn’t anyone see it coming, why didn’t the Air Force do something, why did President Bush keep reading about ducks while people were dying and fighting to live?

Think about how many hundreds of loved ones were left behind, look me in the face and tell me that it makes sense that they all believed everything the government told them, even after all the discrepancies started to come to light. Please. No one trusts the government that much.

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If you’ve been following along then you already know I have gotten into a bit of a squabble with an iReporter on CNN. I didn’t like some of the points he made in his article and he took offence to me pointing this out. This is now the second comment I am making on his article. I should mention that he has throw some weird little snippy comments in between his last comment and this one of mine. I think he may be working himself up into a lather which of course makes me positively giddy.

His last response was this and here is what I have to say about it:

The question of bodies is one that we can argue until the cows come home and never get an answer to. Until all of the remains found are tested for DNA there is now way to tell whether many of the bodies are Bosniak or Serb. Even then, unless they are matched to family members either side can claim them.

The Dutchbat survived on their rations. They were well enough stocked and were able to get some supplies through the pipeline, though I have read many reports that even that was difficult at times.

As far as Oric and the raids on villages, it’s like thinking which came first, the chicken or the egg. Did Oric attack the villages in response to having the food and aid cut off or did the food and aid get cut off because he raided the villages. I am inclined to think it was the former rather than the latter, it simply makes more sense that way.

The hypocritical comment was made in response to the comment: “But basic honesty and respect for users of the Atlas require that it be duly noted…” I read that to be a comment made by you not the Atlas itself. I’m sorry if I misunderstood that.

I can’t say I am a big believer in The Hague and neither am I a fan of NATO, I’d eagerly throw the UN to the wolves as well for that matter. There were many dimensions to all that happened in the early-mid 90’s in Bosnia. I think that the US played every side against the middle and as usual managed to come out smelling like a rose. I don’t think that convicting Naser Oric would have brought a lawsuit to any military actions because there is no one to police these actions.

The fact that the Dutchbat left Srebrenica at all is disgraceful. Absolutely shameful. I like the way you put it “gave up protecting butchers from Srebrenica, and let Bosnian Serbs do their revenge” what a proud day for the UN. Just let people slaughter the guilty and the innocent alike. No taking names, just round them up, bind them and throw them into a warehouse so that the Serbs can lob grenades and keep shooting until no one is left moving and the floor is thick and running with blood, the walls pockmarked and burnt. I’ve seen the pictures and I know you have too. I’ve seen the videos of the men tied and waiting at the white house. I think it’s safe to say the Serbs didn’t have much going in the way of mercy either.

There is no way you can say no women or children were killed when Srebrenica fell. They may not have been main targets but some of the boys I’ve seen in the videos are young. And there is nothing crueler than angry, revenge filled mobs and rape is always a byproduct of circumstances like these.

One more quick point I think is important to note. There were thousands of refugees in Srebrenica. What reason do you give for them being there? For them leaving their homes behind? They accumulated there because the Serbs left them no option. The conditions were terrible but they knew there was a good chance they would be killed if they left.

You and the Serbs say they didn’t kill children, the elderly and women, the Muslims say that’s not true. The Muslims say they didn’t kill children, the elderly and women, the Serbs say that’s not true. He said she said.

No death is acceptable. Not one. But acceptable and understandable are two very different things.

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So a couple of hours ago I posted my response to this article written by a CNN iReporter. Needless to say he was not impressed with the fact I didn’t agree with everything he said. Here is what he had to say to me, read the hostility between the lines lol:

Thanks for your comment, and here is my response:

Number one: Under “myth” this text refers to equalizing Srebrenica with Auschwitz with >8000 Muslims ’shot in front of firing squad’. Serbs did stormed the town with Holland’s approval since Naser Oric’s troops from Srebrenica killed 3,800 Serb civilians in surrounding villages in period 1992-1995. Since Srebrenica has been protected by Holland forces as “Safe Zone”, they have refused to treat it as such in 1995 after constant Muslim attacks on surrounding Serbian villages.

Number two: I didn’t mention anything. This article does, along with entire research team that stands behind it, and shows one example where same first & last name & town of birth repeats. For your information, these places are all in Srebrenica region, and fact that they didn’t give date of birth doesn’t make it less obvious that it is manipulated information.

“Let’s face it, they did a lot more killing.” You can face it as much as you want, you need to prove that with bodies, not some alleged numbers.

In Srebrenica, till the date there is “only” 1,900 bodies of Bosnian Muslims, found by Hague investigators, while there is >3,000 bodies of Bosnian Serbs all over Srebrenica and surrounding villages.

“Don’t forget that it was the Serbs that choked off both their food and medical aid as well.”

If this is to be true, though I haven’t found proof of it that Serbs starved Srebrenica (how did then Holland soldiers survived?), in return: don’t forget Naser Oric’s numerous attacks FROM Srebrenica TO surrounding Serb villages. Storming ENTIRE villages. Who would under these circumstances allow food or anything else into Srebrenica?

“I think it is a little hypocritical of you to on one hand say Naser Oric led attacks that killed many Serbs in towns like Kravica, though he was never convicted of any war crimes whatsoever…”

Again, it is not ME, it is ENTIRE RESEARCH TEAM that stands behind this article. So you can try to tag this as something personal, but it is not.

Fact that he hasn’t been convicted, just means that Hague Tribunal is not functioning properly. More over, Srebrenica was excuse for NATO overall attack on Serbs in Croatia and Bosnia, and Hague is NATO. Policeman, judge and jury. Do you really believe in such system yourself? Having him (Naser Oric) convicted for his crimes around Srebrenica, would bring major lawsuit against all NATO countries that were involved in military actions based on Srebrenica case.

“There is plenty of blame to go around but you have to ask yourself, if you were a starving, freezing refugee with a suffering family, what would you do to keep them alive?”

3,800 killed Serbs in 1992-1995 period is not acceptable.

When Holland troops gave up protecting butchers from Srebrenica, and let Bosnian Serbs do their revenge, at least Bosnian Serbs haven’t killed women, elderly and children.

Naser Oric’s troops didn’t have mercy to anyone.

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In response to the opinions put forth in Lies of “Bosnian Atlas” by Mr. Tokaca:

I am relatively well versed about the Bosnian war, particularly what happened in and around Srebrenica in 1995. I have not read the material you are referring to but based on what you have written I do have a couple of questions for you.

Number one: You refer to the “Srebrenica myth” what exactly do you mean by this term? Are you saying that Serb forces didn’t storm the town, kidnap and kill many men and boys?

Number two: You mention that some of the victims seem to have been killed several times. There are many people in those areas with the same names. Did the Atlas list dates of birth as well? Or just names? If it was the latter isn’t it possible the author was referring to more than one person with the same name?

Both sides have some blood on their hands but I think anyone would be hard pressed to NOT see the Bosniaks as the victims and the Serbs as the perpetrators. Let’s face it, they did a lot more killing. They had the manpower and the arms that the Muslims simply didn’t have access too.

Don’t forget that it was the Serbs that choked off both their food and medical aid as well. When the surrounding Serb villages were raided it wasn’t just by soldiers. There were plenty of everyday Bosniaks who were starving and were left with no choice but to steal food where they could to keep their families alive.

I think it is a little hypocritical of you to on one hand say Naser Oric led attacks that killed many Serbs in towns like Kravica, though he was never convicted of any war crimes whatsoever, and then later state that “basic honesty and respect for users of the Atlas require that it be duly noted that this is not yet a judicially settled fact” when talking about crimes Serbs may be responsible for.

Unfortunately neither side will ever agree on what they are responsible for. And while my comments may make it sound as though I agree with the tactics of Tokaca in his presentation of “the facts” I do not. Until people start looking at what happened in BiH in an unbiased manner no one is ever going to know the truth.

There is plenty of blame to go around but you have to ask yourself, if you were a starving, freezing refugee with a suffering family, what would you do to keep them alive?

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Stuffing feelings down is never a good thing, they fester and mutate and often those feelings of anger, rage, frustration end up rearing their ugly heads in situations that have nothing to do with the root cause. Which, of course, in turn leads to more anger and resentment etc etc.

Learning to deal with these types of feelings is tough, especially if, like you Robyn, have been raised to hide what you really feel.

I know for me I go two ways. when I get into arguments with, I don’t know, like my brother or something, I get mad, he gets mad, we often say crappy things to each other but usually in half an hour all is forgotten. We get over things quickly and move on.

But there is another part of me that isn’t so much anger as it is sadness tinged with resentment and that I tend to try and ignore. Family issues like we all have, feeling like sometimes I’m not getting the support I feel I need, or even talking about how I really feel about things that hurt me. I hate doing that. I rarely do and I know that’s probably not a good thing but…it’s hard.

Communication is so important in any type of relationship but there are many different types of it. Some easier to do than others unfortunately.

I assume that it’s not only me who has a problem with being vulnerable. When push comes to shove I’m the one in the family that has to do the painful things. I have to be the strong one all the time. I don’t even know how that happened.

I had to be the one to tell my 11 year old brother and 8 year old son my dad died, I was the one that had to make all the phone calls to family and friends. I was the one that had to hold the dog down as they tried to stick a needle in her to kill her, which btw took like half an hour (terrible awful incompetent vet), and the other pets that had to be put down were all me too.

I love my family and I know everyone has their role to play but sometimes it’s just so hard. It hurts but somebody has to do it right? Besides I want to protect my family from these things anyway. Duty, love and resentment sometimes go hand in hand. I can’t tell then how truly awful it was putting Honey Bee down and how it was long and painful, I keep that to myself because, I don’t know, why make them suffer too, you know? So I let them think it wasn’t fine, she didn’t suffer. But she did and I think about it all the time. But I’m getting off track, again! As usual.

I dunno, I mean I am kind of an angry person, not at my family though, more at the world in general. I rant and I rave at the ignorance, indifference and callousness of people but it doesn’t ruin my life because those things I feel free to rant publicly about. As I’m sure those who’ve know me longer like Robyn already know That stuff i have no trouble getting off my chest

I really should stop writing at 3.30 in the morn, I babble even more than usual lol!

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SOMEONE ELSES FB FRIEND: I know when I’m going to die – http://www.deathclock.com/

THE SMART ONE (ME): Those death clock things freak me out, I have never done any of that, it just feels like I’d be tempting fate and fate can be a real bitch

Yeah, when it’s my time I just want them to cremate me too, I don’t even care what they do with my ashes. We aren’t big on funerals either. My my grandma and my dad died there was no fanfare, no church stuff. The close family got together at one of the family’s homes and that was that no big deal. Having to make so many arrangements, while I guess it gives some people comfort, it gives them something to focus on that’s just not the case in my family. Thank goodness because I would have had to be the one doing all that and I wouldn’t even know where to start!

Oh my goodness there is so much to think about when it comes to the afterlife. I am fascinated with all the different cultures and religions and I think my own personal spiritual beliefs are a little bit of a lot of ‘em. These views too though are often evolving in me.

And hey, FB FRIEND ONE, it’s great that you’ve been working on making your life better over this last year. I know it’s tough to make real changes and dig deep for the roots of stuff, so it’s a big deal and you should be super proud of yourself. You’re taking control of your life. Seems I could probably learn a thing or two

You rock! ·

FB FRIEND ONE: well yes if you think that way the deathclock is a bad idea… even without this fate thing.. if Law of Attraction worked (which i believe it does) then you will have in mind a date of your death, and so if you continue to think about it, even if you put it to the back of your mind, the very act of thinking about it will attract that very thing… unless you truly don’t believe in the death clock, then you will be fine :p

I don’t know what afterlife we get, I dont think anyone can know, I would rather not have to come back though, but even if i did at least I know i wont remember this life.. which in some cases kinda sucks.

i’ve been doing the root digging since from 2 years agoish now.. but this last year i made a physical move to Cardiff which saved me from drowning in the concrete city of Birmingham.. best choice i made.. I once thought I couldnt do it.. impossible dream.. but it was a belief i chose to believe to limit myself and keep myself safe… but I realised.. people move all the frikin time, and it was completely possible and doable..
yes i am very proud of myself ty Talia…you rock too ^_^

have you slept yet??

THE SMART (and tired) ONE: nope

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FB Friend ONE: does not everyone think about death everyday?

FB ME: I do. Not my death necessarily, but yes.

FB Friend ONE: i kinda meant your own yes. but just thinking on death in general surely will lead to thinking about your own anyway.

FB Friend NOT MINE: Not really , and when it does happen , I have no regrets because I am living the best years of my life and I make sure all the people I care about are part of it from time to time. Only one issue brings me down a little and that would be that I have not left my mark in the form of an offspring yet but hey , we can’t win all the time , so I am glad for the other successes in my life.

FB ME: I guess when I think about it I do think of my own. I worry what would happen to my son if something happened to me a lot. And you’re right when I hear about accidents or disasters and other terrible things it does make me think that could happen to me. No one gets up in the morning thinking this is the day they are going to get hit by a drunk driver, get squished in an earthquake or drop dead but it happens and i do think about that.

I didn’t actually realize how much I thought about my own death. It doesn’t freak me out or anything though, I am not scared to die, I just worry about my son and how he’d deal with it, like I said. Though the method by which I might die is scary, actually being dead doesn’t freak me out.

I know when my dad was dying what was hardest for him was thinking about how it would affect my mom and especially my brother, he was only 11. When he found out my dad had cancer he started throwing up. I can’t even think about it now. It was a bad death but dying wasn’t what scared him either, just what pain it would cause us. Sad.

Sadly unlike your friend above I don’t think I am living the best years of my life. I don’t really know what would make be truly fulfilled.

FB Friend NOT MINE: Don’t get me wrong, its always a concern about loved ones and how they will handle death which is why we have to prepare ourselves by putting our affairs in order so that they are take care of in the event we have too leave. Also important to explain the significance of death and life to them so that they will understand.

Most importantly , rather than spending too much thought on this , treasure the moments you have now with them and let them know you do.

FB ME: I can tell this is going to end up a rant so prepare

I think FB Friend NOT MINE is totally right but for me, it’s about so much more than just putting my affairs in order. I’m one of those moms who talks to her son about everything, it’s important to me that he knows the world as it really is, I didn’t raise him in a bubble. Not even close. Some would say that is terrible, I say that I want him to grow up to be a strong man who understands both the wonder and the horror of the human condition. I have files and files of horror and if it was up to me I would pack everyone in a room and make them look at them all.

I hate to think of Jake growing up as one of those people who simply look away from the awful things that happen all over the world. Nothing is more important to me than having people open their eyes and really look, look at the bodies piles in the streets, realize that they are people, not just bloated blackened corpses. They were someone sons, mothers, sisters and so forth.

Look at the towns in places like Bosnia that have been devastated by war. If no one is willing to suck it up and look at what is going on nothing will never change. I firmly believe that if everyone faced the world, really faced it, eventually progress could be made. It would take time but it would happen. But not if everyone is so squeamish. You think it’s hard to look at pictures of people rotting in mass graves? Imagine what it was like for them and what put them there. If they can live it, the least we can do is see it and look for ways, no matter how small to make a difference.

It breaks my heart to read, see and write about these things but I do it because it’s important. You don’t think I spend plenty of time in tears, I do, but it has to be done. And I am doing my best to instil this kind of thinking in my kid too.

I have talked to him about the possibility that something could happen to me. That’s part of why I think it’s so important to keep a good line of communication open with him and it’s worked out well. Putting off talking about the important things could mean they never get addressed.

I believe in teaching kids (age appropriately of course) about everything from relationships, sex and what it means not just physically but emotionally to both him and the girl he eventually gets intimate with, I talk to him about how women should be treated and how he deserves to be treated for that matter. I talk to him about infidelity and how things like that impact everyone and pretty much everything else under the sun.

He’s 14 now and just today I watched a show about little girls who are used as sex slaves in places like Cambodia and about the whole concept of sex tourism. I told him that if he learns one single thing from me it is that it’s our duty as human beings to stand up for what is right, no matter how hard it may be. No matter how much it hurts. I don’t believe in shielding children from the reality of the world in any way.

Again totally got carried away. I’m a little tipsy right now so that may explain it.

FB Friend ONE: I understand that FB ME ..even though I dont have a child..my only concern used to be my pets.. i was quite worried if anything happened to me, what would happen to them as they were so particular about things…

so until i get another pet.. i just worry about whos gonna have to sort through my things and dispose of my stuff! and uurgh hoping i just get cremated and not have people doing all that funeral stuff.
just throw me in the oven and go have a drink.. you know? i’d prefer that..may sound morbid but.. i never did like being the centre of attention

one of my old freinds wanted the whole spectacular horse drawn funeral carriage thing with flowers raining from the skies and people weeping and wailing in the streets.. O.o

thanks for sharing that about your dad, i do appreciate it, and i can understand that, when you have attachments in this life, of course your concerns will be with them.. as with you and your son, and me and my pets..

and hmm, i am not sure if I am living the best years of my life either, maybe the most transformative.. i know things could be better though, but i also know things could be worse and I have improved my life over the last year drastically, I think the change i made last year saved me from myself.

I dont know why you are talking more haha, but its good, i like talking and talkative people, its the best way to get to know others online :p

Oh and all that btw is not taking into account my thoughts of afterlife, and if I have to come back and do it all over again, because I think about that stuff all the time…

was funny, I read a monks blog entry not long ago.. where he was almost bragging it seemed that he wouldnt have to come back and he gets to escape reincarnation and be with his god haha.. made me laugh but, I was also quite jealous.

FB Friend ONE: wow FB ME. and this is one of the things I admire you for..

I agree with much of what you say.. and I am grateful there are people like you about, I also acknowledge that others have different ways to spread the message and change the world, but yes the awareness is paramount!

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About the questionable pics the Puerto Rican docs took in Haiti…

There is only one that I really think is bad, the naked patient one. Other than that I don’t see what the big deal is at all.

I can tell you in all honestly that if I spent the day digging through the rubble and the bloated rotting bodies trying to find someone alive, I would be hitting the bottle at night too. Who cares? What do people expect, they are in hell over there, they are going to do whatever they can to take the edge of the day. Yeah, they played with guns, who wouldn’t want to! I mean, seriously!

Obviously putting the pics up on facebook was pretty goddamn stupid, but if it weren’t for that one single picture it’d be ridiculous to make this such a big deal. Seems to me that people are focusing more on the fact they were drinking and smiling rather than the fact there was a picture of a naked patient on the table. WTF?

Here are the pictures of the Puerto Rican doctors getting their groove on in Haiti:

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