All the semantics involved in the case of Radovan Karadzic and the whole Bosnian war in particular is starting to grate on my nerves. Actually, it’s way past that, I feel myself wince every time I read the word in an article and it’s starting to piss me off.
Now as any goo writer should I try to stay unbias (ha!), well, I try anyway but the matter is that Karadzic is guilty of ordering a whole hell of a lot of people exterminated. Was it “genocide”? Does it really matter? They’re dead, he told the soldiers to do it, they did. Guilty, right?
Not so fast, he is standing on a leg that seems to be gaining strength and that leg is all about the aforementioned, dreaded, retarded and pointless word: Genocide.
Yes, those he wanted dead all happened to be Bosniaks, he wanted them “cleansed” from the area but it wasn’t really about their religion or their ethnicity in a lot of ways. They had just pissed him off. They didn’t agree with his agenda, he and Milosevic, Mladic figured they could swoop in, take out the opposition and get what they wanted.
If those killed hadn’t been Muslim, but still opposed them, chances are good they would have done the same exact thing because let’s face it, they figured they could get away with it and Bill Clinton (the positively scion of virtue that he is) was perfectly willing to let them.
So, is that genocide? Yes and no. But bottom line WHO GIVES A SHIT. Call a spade a spade and a mass murderer a mass murderer. If they keep pushing the word down the throat of the courts Radovan Karadzic is going to shove back twice and hard and he is a smart mother fucker.
Hague, LISTEN UP! Forget the “Bosnian Genocide” stick with some lower numbers and nail him with murder.
He has a pretty valid claim about the numbers. On one hand the prosecution says thousands were executed and buried only to be reburied at a later date. Karadzic claims that there is no telling how many DNA samples overlap. How many of pieces of people were spread throughout more than one mass grave? Who knows! With no one doing all the DNA work that needs to be done this brings into serious question whether he is indeed of genocide.
For example, let’s say for arguments sake that there were 150 DNA samples found at one gravesite and 200 at another. One could say that this means 350 Bosnian Muslims were murdered. BUT if indeed they were dug up before being reburied, that 350 could turn into only 200. Different parts of the same people in multiple graves? It’s certainly possible if not probable. This has a direct bearing on the genocide claim.
So DROP IT! Pick a good 150 dead Bosniaks, I don’t give a shit, pick names out of a hat, and try him for those deaths. Okay, all those genocide deniers will go on to squawk and squawk but who cares? He will be in prison for the rest of his life. Isn’t that the point after all?
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This is in reply to the person who made the comment in the comments section, it was too long so I decided to make it a part of the original post:
“The TRUTH is coming out”
–I don’t think there is any truth to find anymore. It’s too late people on both sides have convinced themselves they were the “injured party” and these opinions will never change. Ever. Throw as many bodies, bones and skulls around and the Serbs will say they were people killed by the Muslims, and the Bosniaks will say it was the Chetniks.
There is no winning, they will never get all the DNA crap done, bodies were moved so many times leaving pieces of people all over, in more than one mass grave. That makes things very complicated and it can be twisted to seem like a lot more victims that it actually is.
“Funny how Serbs who have been in their lands for over a thousand years resisting being under an Islamic fascist state defending their homes against militant extremists are guilty of “ethnic cleansing.”
What’s funny is you attacking me for saying what you just wrote. My whole point and opinion is to forget about the “genocide” forget about the “ethnic cleansing” like you said, call a spade a spade. If he is responsible for killing people he gets locked up. A murderer is a murderer. Done.
By focusing on the terminology over there in the Hague they are just making it easier for Karadzic to get off scott free. It takes a lot more work to prove someone orchestrated a whole genocide than to prove someone gave order to kill some people. Seriously, huge difference and they are tying their own hands behind their backs, which is ridiculous.
Now, the US stuff you are saying, yeah they are total assholes, I am lucky enough not to be one, I just wished I lived further away because they are going to be nothing but one big ass dart board eventually and I don’t want to be right next door when it happens.
My personal opinion was that yes, the States did take advantage of the situation and they definitely fanned the flames because it was in their interest to do so. They wanted whatever it was, crap maybe they just got off on the high of being in control, who knows why they do what they do, they are just total dicks basically. Every time I remember seeing stupid Bill Clinton bowing his head in front of that memorial, I throw up a little in my mouth.
You are talking about the market explosion right? With people saying the Bosniaks did it to their own people for sympathy. I personally don’t believe that. I can see the US doing it though to make something look like something it wasn’t. That, I can see happening.
And yes, war is war BUT bringing the fighting into where civilians are is just cheating. That shouldn’t happen. They should go back to the old ways where each side met the other in a field, they battled it out and whoever was left standing was the one to win. That was more fair.
But truly, I get conflicting feelings sometimes when it comes to the whole civilians thing. On one hand I think each party needs to take care to keep civilians out of the line of fire. But on the other hand, these stupid, slowly eeking wars are ridiculous. Either go all in, get the job done, messy, dirty, fast or get the fuck out. Period.
If they did it that way in the end people would be better off and hey, when all is done and accounted for maybe less people would have died.
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September 21, 2009 at 1:30 pm
What a disgusting ignorant article with no concern for the truth. But what can one expect from this era where population’s depend on television for knowledge and the corporate media spin information to control people’s minds and opinions.
The TRUTH is coming out, it seems there are intelligent people out there who can know a spade is a spade. Funny how Serbs who have been in their lands for over a thousand years resisting being under an islamic fascist state defending their homes against militant extremists are guilty of “ethnic cleansing”.
The US was responsible for Bosnias succession then with Saudi, Turkey and IRANIAN help channeled weapons and islamic extremists including the (muhajadeen)Taliban and elements of Al-Q to the region.
There is evidence coming out more and more everyday that show how western influence created carnage between ethnic groups.
There are many officers who wish to testify for Karadzic as witnesses because they know first hand what was going on and biased media blaming Serbs for western interests. Balkanization will be in your area soon.
Of course there was no genocide, there were murders on all sides equally guilty. There are 1000s of Serb men around Srebinica missing and killed, and 1000s of muslims missing and killed. Even UN officials accused muslims for killing their own people to gain sympathy from the west. But to say he ordered ethnic cleansing and genocide is ridiculous. Soldiers fighting is war, and war is not pretty, war is WAR, people die.
No genocide massacre in bosnia, just like there were no genocide massacre in Kosovo, remember the media, still waiting for the mass graves after ten years.
September 21, 2009 at 7:39 pm
I am going to put my reply to your comments at the end of the original post, too much to stuff into these little comment boxes.
September 22, 2009 at 5:17 pm
It’s just that what was portrayed over the years on the media with Serbs mainly being the aggressors hell bent on pillage and carnage seemed the official mainstream thought.
It was a constant bombardment of Serbs wishing to create a Greater Serbia by ethnic cleansing and aggressive tactics. The point I am making is that current mainstream thoughts of the masses already have preconceived idea from their limited information and biased media indoctrination that the Serbs were ethnic cleansing, and that a genocide took place in Srebinica.
Legally Srebinica cannot be be described as a genocide, the army wasn’t bent on killing men, women and children, only men were singled out which Serbs said were enemy combatants. Currently 8000 dead is the so called official number, but it’s known that that UN safe haven was used by muslims to carry out massacres against Serb civilians. So
the number of dead and who they are cannot be proven like you say, but doesn’t deter what the masses already have accepted to be true. Karadzic did receive support from
former UN officers mostly Canadian to testify on what really happened. In fact it seems a number of Canadians are generally silenced about events in Bosnia and Croatia, sadly
even by their own government.
Why are they pushing for genocide? Well maybe there is a reason that has far more political repurcussions that are yet to surface.
A quote from The Brussels Journal
“Unfortunately, there is a very clear political reason why it has been so categorised. The Muslim president of Bosnia-Herzegovina, Haris Silaijdzic, said carefully on CNN
the day Karadzic was captured that Karadzic’s trial was only the beginning of the process by which justice would be done in Bosnia. He said that there were hundreds of
thousands of Muslims who had been ethnically cleansed by “Karadzic and Milosevic” and that their project therefore remained in force. The clear implication of what he was saying was this: if the very existence of the Bosnian Serb republic (the autonomous region within Bosnia carved out from the republic during the civil war) is found, in a court of law, to have been had as its president a man, Karadzic, who is convicted of genocide in the process of creating it, then its status would be illegitimate and it should be abolished. The Muslims continue to claim control over the whole of the
territory of Bosnia-Herzegovina, while the Serbs merely want the preservation of their considerable autonomy within it.”
If Karadzic is convicted for genocide, it would egg muslims claim over the Serb autonomous region. And knowing Serbs they are not just going to allow that to happen, so the Dayton peace accord will be shattered amplifying western hypocrisy once more. It could work well for Serbs though, giving precedence that the state of croatia was initially granted by Adolf Hitler while Nazi Ustashi exterminated 600,000 Serbs, Jews and gypsies. The biggest ethnic cleansing during the civil war was operation storm where 500,000 serbs were killed and removed under US supervision, but doesn’t matter, they were “serbian thugs” as the
rhetoric goes.
It quite chilling to think that there might be some move to have the Serbs removed from Bosnia through a way to pin “genocide” on Karadzic. Kosovo independence is illegal under International law and against the UN Charter but still it went forward, so I would not be surprised if Karadzic is convicted with genocide even if it isn’t by definition.
About the market place, yeah thats one example, there are many more documented others, men can be so rational at times and the ends justify the means. It did give the US an excuse to bomb the Serbs into agreement, I do not rule them out.
The Hegelian Dialectic:
Problem–Reaction-Solution
Create the Problem Cause a Reaction Offer a Solution, that age old tactic used by empires and dictators since the dawn of time. Why do they do what they do, bases, bases, and more
bases, troops, intimidation, natural resources, regional influence, you know, haven’t you heard of the New World Order(NWO)?
What really pisses me off is that the balkans is now a
haven for human trafficking in particular kosovo. In Bosnia whistleblower from US company Dyncorp witnessed his employees trading young girls with each other, fat fucking US pigs buying young little girls as sex slaves. US army officers going to functions with 13 year old girls they own, enjoying them anyway they want, they have nothing to worry about, they have immunity. And Kosovo, albos don’t mind using slavic or slave girls as they say to help service all those poor sex starved nato troops, un officials, relif workers and international police officers.
Thats capitilism……in the name of democracy.
Balkans is the devils powder keg, and no doubt one day the western agenda will boomerang back on them in a way they couldn’t have imagined in their worst nightmares…..
July 27, 2010 at 1:25 am
hi
Will tony Blair get a cell nextdoor to Radovan Karadzic?
Joe
July 29, 2010 at 12:26 am
Hello,
Will tony Blair get a cell nextdoor to Radovan Karadzic?
Really great post, enjoyed reading it. Thanks,
Sarah
September 25, 2010 at 7:39 am
Pretty good stuff, thanks
December 20, 2010 at 8:23 pm
Well you are such an IGNORANT, DISRESPECTFULL, COLD HUMAN BEING !!!!!!!!!
I do not wish anyone in the world to go through such a thing as i know the best what the war did to me, from killings to forced departure, living like animals etc etc. So SHUT THE FUCK UP BECAUSE YOU HAVE NO RIGHT TO TALK ABOUT THIS ISSUE, and POOR you had to read articles about Bosnia while I WAS LIVING THE HORROR. Just think about what you are saying and if i were you i would be very very ashamed of my ignorance!
Have a nice life !!!
December 28, 2010 at 6:12 am
Whoooooaaahhhh there. What? What is disrespectful? The fact that I think the guy should burn in hell? Are you a Serb or a Bosniak? That might help me get a grip on why you are so incredibly hostile towards the post. I mean hey, war sucks, no argument from me and the things done during the Bosnian war, terrible for sure. But I would think you would want people to talk about it, to know what really happened? No?
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